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| KnaseN |
| Posted on: August 11th, 2005, 12:07am |
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| That sounds reasonable. I think a human is alot more agile that a sabertooth under water, so why not.. |
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| Christian |
| Posted on: August 12th, 2005, 11:58pm |
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I read an article about children in the Amazonas that can see just as well under water as above it. Their parents doesn't have this ability, but almost all of the children has it.
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If you know of a way to access that article, I'd like to take a look at it. |
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| Christian |
| Posted on: August 13th, 2005, 12:18am |
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| KnaseN |
| Posted on: August 13th, 2005, 2:50am |
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| I'm not sure I can do that, since I read it in a Swedish science magazine called "Illustrerad Vetenskap" which translates directly to "Illustrated Science". |
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| Christian |
| Posted on: August 15th, 2005, 11:59pm |
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| Isn't it kind of unlikely that "almost all" these children would be throwbacks to the time (which there is no record of) when humans were aquatic and all in the same way too (being able to see under water)? |
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| KnaseN |
| Posted on: August 16th, 2005, 4:42pm |
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| Either that, or it's proof of macro evolution. |
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| Christian |
| Posted on: August 17th, 2005, 2:03am |
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| Here's what seems most likely to me (without having access to the article): Our Creator programed certain genetic traits that can be "switched on" when necessary. I know nothing about these amazon kids, but perhaps their parents spent a lot of time hunting underwater. Then perhaps this gene that causes the kids to see under water better became "switched on". It's not a "throwback" scenerio, and it's certainly not macro- evolution. Macro-evolution, as I understand it, is when one species evolves to the point where it becomes a seperate, more advanced species. Anyway if this were real proof (or even possible proof) of macro evolution it would be all over the news and I can't find anything about it. |
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| Templar |
| Posted on: August 19th, 2005, 7:48pm |
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| How do you explain the existence of Neanderthal - a human species and tool user that is a seperate species from our own? |
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| KnaseN |
| Posted on: August 20th, 2005, 3:20pm |
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| Sorry, I meant micro-evolution Christian. |
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| Christian |
| Posted on: August 24th, 2005, 12:49am |
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How do you explain the existence of Neanderthal - a human species and tool user that is a seperate species from our own?
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Did you not look at this?:
http://www.jackcuozzo.com/dna.html
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| Christian |
| Posted on: August 24th, 2005, 12:51am |
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Sorry, I meant micro-evolution Christian.
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I don't know of anyone who denies micro-evolution. It is observable, but it's a very different thing from macro-evolution.
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| KnaseN |
| Posted on: August 24th, 2005, 12:45pm |
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| Macro-evolution has been observed too. |
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| Templar |
| Posted on: August 24th, 2005, 10:15pm |
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"The mtDNA is different in Neanderthals and the reason is very simple. We are devolved humans and they [the Neanderthals] were less devolved than us. Paul's letter (Romans  .
This opens up a HUGE can of problems!
1) Why in HELL would "devolved humans" win an evolutionary battle with "evolved humans". There are many places where Cro-Mags and Neanderthals interacted - sometimes peacefully and sometimes violently. In all cases the Neanderthals were pushed further and further North.
2) Why in HELL would "devolved humans" show a greater capacity for tool use and higher levels of mental development allowing for art and mysticism?
3) Why in HELL would "evolved humans" ONLY be found in Northern Europe whereas Cro-Magnon is so successful that we find him in Africa, Asia AND Europe.
4) Why in HELL would "evolved humans" be smaller and built to withstand horrible conditions? The bones of Neanderthal are commonly twisted and fractured from their years of miserable existence. (There is evidence of healing on the bones after the damage so don't rationalize a 'flood'.)
5) Why in HELL would Neanderthals be physically built as ONLY meat-eaters when Adam would've only ate plants? Their stomachs could withstand a pure meat diet that ours cannot.
6) Why in HELL would Neanderthals be short-lived when we are told that our ancestors lived for centuries?
7) Why are the only tools Neanderthal uses rocks and spears? Surely "evolved humans" would be using bronze-age tools and weapons.
Surely our ancestors began as sheep-herders and farmers. Why do we not find any indication of Neanderthal farms or ranches? Why is it that Neanderthal caves are littered with worked animal hides but no wool or vegetable remains?
Geez - I could go on like this for pages... it's just makes no sense whatsoever!
Here are some more great sites:
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This is the Flat Earth society!
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
They also have a ton of rationalizations and conspiracy theories that explain why the populace has been "brainwashed" into a round-earth idea. Scientific data is dealt with in the same way as "young earth" Christian websites, it is twisted and tortured until it fits their model.
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This is "The Geocentric Bible"
http://www.geocentricbible.com/id25.htm
Wow! Read all that stuff proving that the Earth is at the center of the Solar System! Have you ever seen a bigger pile of numerical BS!?
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The difference is the difference between legitimate science and pseudo-science. |
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| Christian |
| Posted on: August 24th, 2005, 11:33pm |
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Macro-evolution has been observed too.
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Could you give me an example?
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| Silencer |
| Posted on: August 25th, 2005, 3:19am |
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Well scientists usually don't use the terms macro and micro evolution. Macro evolution is speciation, and there are numerous instances where that has been observed. Theists like to claim that the evolution of higher taxa, such as the appearance of new genera, has never been observed. However it's important to remember that taxonomy is at best a black art, and consists mostly of the names and designations that we have labeled various groups of organisms. The groupings are after all artificial.
We do however have a more definitive criteria for determining species. A species is reproductively unique. It can only reproduce successfully with members of its own kind. If different species try to breed, the offspring are going to be sterile or dead, except in extremely rare cases.
Also to build on what Templar said above, evolution is not directional. Evolution simply means becoming better adapted to one's environment. Terms like "higher" and "lower" are just terms used to describe "before" and "after". |
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